To the degree someone claims the universe can come into existence uncaused, to that degree they reject science as a means of understanding the origin of the universe.
And to that degree one can reject anything they say as unworthy of serious consideration.
I’ve had a very similar thought; thank you for pointing it out.
It does seem odd that so many who consider themselves champions of science are so willing to jettison science when that would help win an argument.
Hey Jack, long time no squeak – it’s the Judge here. Nice to see you’re still at work, though this post seems to suggest that in order for someone to be worthy of serious consideration, they must contend that science can explain the origins of the universe. Doesn’t that contradict your own views (that the origins of the universe are supernatural)? I know, I know, that wasn’t your argument – I just took issue with the rhetorical construction.
I must sorta disagree. If a medical doctor is an atheist, sure I may disagree with him or her atheistic views on matters, but that doesn’t make the doctor a bad doctor to be ignored.
I don’t know. If I had a doctor that insisted things could come into existence uncaused, I would seriously consider another doctor. Or at least a second opinion.
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I’ve had a very similar thought; thank you for pointing it out.
It does seem odd that so many who consider themselves champions of science are so willing to jettison science when that would help win an argument.
Hey Jack, long time no squeak – it’s the Judge here.
Nice to see you’re still at work, though this post seems to suggest that in order for someone to be worthy of serious consideration, they must contend that science can explain the origins of the universe. Doesn’t that contradict your own views (that the origins of the universe are supernatural)? I know, I know, that wasn’t your argument – I just took issue with the rhetorical construction. 
Anywhos, I just wanted to throw my latest article on religion in your direction. In two parts, one…
http://sidekickbooks.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/an-anatomy-of-spirit-part-1.html
…and two…
http://sidekickbooks.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/an-anatomy-of-spirit-part-2.html
I linked it to Mike as well. There are criticism for both the theists and (new) atheists in there, so it should be interesting for both sides.
Hope you’re doing well.
I must sorta disagree. If a medical doctor is an atheist, sure I may disagree with him or her atheistic views on matters, but that doesn’t make the doctor a bad doctor to be ignored.
I don’t know. If I had a doctor that insisted things could come into existence uncaused, I would seriously consider another doctor. Or at least a second opinion.