Observations

The Occupy movement is in many ways a microcosm of the impact of secular leftism on a society. Aimless, angry, hedonistic and ultimately violent, it gives us a glimpse of what happens to culture when it abandons it’s Judeo-Christian heritage and attempts to establish a secular order ex nihilo.

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12 Responses to Observations

  1. kenetiks says:

    Wild speculation, outlandish, fallacious, presumptuous, biased. Keep up the good work Jack.

  2. jackhudson says:

    This kind of comment makes me wonder if any negative impact of secularism could be accepted by advocates of secularism.

    I mean Europe was held up as something of a secular paradise, until the recent economic troubles – of course no one seems to want to attribute that to the secularism or leftism of Europe. Eugenics was held up at one time a great solution for humanity’s problems by advocates of scientism and secularism – but once that fell until disrepute, secularists acted as if that was an aberration. The Soviet Union (even Joseph Stalin) was defended by the intelligentsia on the left, including the NYT’s in the 30’s until the totalitarian nature of the society became obvious, at which point atheists and secularists acted like it had nothing to do with that nation’s godlessness.

    And now as the Occupy movement decays into anarchy, the secularists who were lauding it as the leftist alternative to the Tea Party are acting as if they had nothing to do with it.

    Do secularists ever take responsibility for any of the consequences of their beliefs, or do they just deny history and move on?

  3. Nate says:

    Also increasingly diseased, I don’t know if you heard about that one. That a big reason some of them are being shut down now.

    That and the damned drumming. They should send the Ohio National Guard after all these drummers, to be taken dead or alive. Horrible things, drums, Just horrible.

  4. Justin says:

    Socialism is really hard to pull off in small groups where there’s no existing backbone or structure to leach off of.

  5. Nate says:

    On the contrary, Thomas Merton said in his final speech/lecture that over the years he had become convinced that the only place socialism can work is in a Catholic Monastery (he was a monk in Georgia). Now he didn’t really mean only in monasteries, he meant in small groups where everyone is accountable to everyone else.

    It simply cant work alongside the freedom that we have and desire. You have to give up a lot of freedom to become a monk or live in a highly accountable small community.

    “Each gives according to his capacity and each receives according to his need. Noe if you think on that definition for a moment you’ll find that is the very definition of a monastic community. And it is my opinion, (chuckles) that monastic community life is really the only place in which this can be done. It can’t be done in communism or socialism, it can be done in a monastery.”

    ~ Merton

  6. jackhudson says:

    Well, there is certainly a relationship between socialism and a vow of poverty.

  7. Nate says:

    Haha! very nice! At least one is voluntary!

  8. Justin says:

    You can’t tell me the skinny monks aren’t just a little jealous of the fat monks, lol.

  9. Bettawrekonize says:

    I see it as a sad thing that the government is shutting down the OWS protests. Don’t get me wrong, I do think that their objective is ambiguous, but I don’t have to agree with their position to support their right to peacefully protest/assemble (and, for the most part, they have been peaceful protesters). I think it’s wrong for the government to deny them the ability to protest and the government has been doing that lately by shutting down these protests

    “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.” – JFK

    and I agree with their overall stance on undoing the governmental-industrial complex, I do think that corporations have way way too much control over the government and the laws. But that’s not really being specific enough to get anything done. For example, if they supported substantially repealing our over reaching Intellectual Property laws, I would completely support them on that issue.

  10. jackhudson says:

    I have a huge problem with crony-capitalism, and I fully support our right to peaceably assemble but I wonder how, for the purposes of maintaining any order, one could distinguish between a peaceful assembly and a vagrant mob – which is what the OWS seems to have become.

  11. kenetiks says:

    This kind of comment makes me wonder if any negative impact of secularism could be accepted by advocates of secularism.

    I mean Europe was held up as something of a secular paradise, until the recent economic troubles – of course no one seems to want to attribute that to the secularism or leftism of Europe. Eugenics was held up at one time a great solution for humanity’s problems by advocates of scientism and secularism – but once that fell until disrepute, secularists acted as if that was an aberration. The Soviet Union (even Joseph Stalin) was defended by the intelligentsia on the left, including the NYT’s in the 30’s until the totalitarian nature of the society became obvious, at which point atheists and secularists acted like it had nothing to do with that nation’s godlessness.

    And now as the Occupy movement decays into anarchy, the secularists who were lauding it as the leftist alternative to the Tea Party are acting as if they had nothing to do with it.

    Do secularists ever take responsibility for any of the consequences of their beliefs, or do they just deny history and move on?

    And would you mind explaining to me what the Occupy Wall Street debacle has to do with secularism?

    If your intent is to brutally staple anything you don’t agree with to secularism, then I’m afraid your blog is about to devolve into the next version of a Glenn Beck talk show.

    The problem with this, is that just because one is an atheist or a secularist does not mean that they support OWS. I certainly don’t. And secularism I might point out, does not denote that it’s adherents have any beliefs at all. Why they should take responsibility for beliefs they possibly don’t even possess is a bit of a puzzlement.

    Atheism I will point out yet again, is devoid of theism. I deny the existence of a deity based on facts and evidence and flatly refuse to worship the Christian or Islamic versions of God even if he did exist, on moral and ethical objections. I am a secularist because it has been repeatedly demonstrated that religion should be kept out of governance and anyone’s lives who do not care for it. I have the right to be free from the blatant disregard for my own thoughts, that religion poses. I’m not a liberal, nor a conservative. I’m not a democrat or republican. I’m not a socialist, capitalist or a communist. I’m simply a guy who lives in a world where people try to bolt a label on me and others like me, every single time an argument breaks out.

  12. jackhudson says:

    I thought I was fairly clear when I ascribed to the OWS movement to secular leftism in the very first sentence.

    Obviously it’s secular in that it is a non-religious movement, and obviously leftist because of it’s denigration of capitalism and free markets and its call for greater government intervention. I have known a number of atheists and secularists who are conservative or libertarian with whom I find much agreement on political issues (Penn Jillette, Charles Krauthammer, and this guy come to mind) so my qualm here is obviously not with secularism per se.

    I will chalk up your reaction to long-day-at-work-leading-to-failure-to-read-comprehensively-resulting-in-knee-jerk-projection.

    This time.

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